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posted by  : DaveS on 01/21/10, 10:58 am
subject   : Where did our money go? The cost of war

Here is the link to my latest attempt at changing my neighbor's thinking...
http://thefreedailyobserver.com/doc/FDO%20Ed%20for%20web.pdf

What do you think?

DaveS

p.s. This should be a good link... I'll check. Yup this one works. Loads weird for me, but I'm having internet issues.

fixed it for you Dave
dan



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posted by  : catlady on 01/21/10, 12:44 pm
subject   : broken link?

Comes up 404.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/21/10, 4:51 pm
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More good local news about the people covering the news from a small public radio station that just hired a second full-time journalist. Yea! you go KDNK!

http://www.kdnk.org/article.cfm?mode=detail&id=1264117486153

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posted by  : Parviz on 01/22/10, 4:49 am
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Well done, DaveS, a very eloquent and cogent editorial. Your publication is a gem throughout and I congratulate and thank you for all the trouble you have taken.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/22/10, 5:54 am
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Parviz,

Thank you for the kind words.

I wish I could publish something like this everyday. There is certainly a lack of published information about these subjects, at least where I live.

I plan on dumping a couple of hundred around Aspen, which could use a good dose of reality. I think it's funny how many people live there and publicly preach about peace, love and the environment. Yet they are also the ones making big bucks off weapons sales, mineral extraction, and a sundry list of other hypocritical investments that pay.

If I were going to be stuck on an island for a long time with another human, and I were able to choose between a touchy-feely peace symbol wearing warmonger and some burly marine... I'd pick the marine, at least I'd know where he/she were coming from, the other sort of human is both dangerous and foul. I detest two-faced assholes more than just about anything.

Writing of assholes... NPR reporting from Haiti today, lets see if I can remember; the reporter was telling us about the water truck that arrived, and that it was the first FREE water that residents had access to since the earthquake.

The reporter, in typical corporate ass-speak , rushed right over the "free" water which make me wonder who would be charging for water? If it were the local peons I'm sure the reporter would have pointed-out the evil of their profiteering, and since he didn't, it makes me wonder, who's the jerk charging for H2O?

Why ?

DaveS


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posted by  : Dan of Steele on 01/22/10, 11:48 am
subject   : water

DaveS wrote:

Writing of assholes... NPR reporting from Haiti today, lets see if I can remember; the reporter was telling us about the water truck that arrived, and that it was the first FREE water that residents had access to since the earthquake.

The reporter, in typical corporate ass-speak , rushed right over the "free" water which make me wonder who would be charging for water? If it were the local peons I'm sure the reporter would have pointed-out the evil of their profiteering, and since he didn't, it makes me wonder, who's the jerk charging for H2O?

Why ?

DaveS


I saw something on Euronews that spoke to that. there are haitians selling water. one local man said that it cost 10 dollars for a glad bag full of water. some germans who were there to set up a water purification plant required people to bring their own buckets for filling and had stopped handing out plastic bottles for that very reason.....people were walking a few blocks and selling it.

there are some very poor people there and high morals don't last long when you are hungry.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/22/10, 12:29 pm
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Yeah, I understand about how people take advantage of each other. It's sad that an island is having a hard time providing water to the citizens. Sad that there is always so many greedy people looking to benefit from tragic events.

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posted by  : maxcrat on 01/22/10, 5:06 pm
subject   : the FDO is great!

Hey Dave - the paper is excellent! I briefly considered moving to the North Fork five or six years ago and spent a little time in some of those towns sussing out some possibilities...Hotchkiss, Paonia; turned out not to be the right time for me.

I think I heard the same NPR story you are referring to this morning, and the reporter also said something like..."people are lining up calmly to get water and there is no rioting or disorer AS OF YET....."

I was so incensed by that last clause that I switched off the radio and said "assholes", even though I was at work. Like Dan (and others) have commented, when you are starving and dying of thirst you will take desperate measures. Similarly with the accounts of (alleged)looting in some places...is it really "looting" when you are just trying to survive and help your family and neighbors survive?


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/25/10, 2:18 am
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Another outstanding Chris Hedges' column:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/20090601_war_is_sin/

Go Chris, Go Truthdig!

DaveS


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/25/10, 2:37 am
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Maxcrat-

You wouldn't believe how the place is changing. In just the past five years the number of folks has increased quite a bit... with them a few more problems, but also a few improvements.

The City Market (chain grocery) has improved the fare they offer... the number and variety of small organic farms is increasing... we even have farmers growing organic hops for New Belgium brewery.

There are now free concerts in paonia at the town park during the summer and what seems like a bigillion feral kids running hither and dither. Good fun. I wish I could stick the place in a bottle – two julys ago, during paonia's cherry days festival there was a carnival that I swear must have dropped out of some movie set. I've never seen such clean rides, so much fresh paint or so many healthy carnys... I was continually looking to see if maybe there weren't cameras rolling.

But on the flip side, there are a lot of poor folks struggling to make it, and with the new people moving here, the cost have begun to rise. Unfortunately I see our future going the direction of other nice places I've lived; they get too popular and many of the reasons people originally moved to the place no longer exist. Property values rise to a point where the people who made the place nice either can't afford the taxes, or become tired of the crowds and sell. Regardless, it will never be the same.

If you ever pass back thru, look me up. The beer at the micro-brewery in paonia, revolution brewing( http://www.revolution-brewing.com/ ), is like manna from heaven. I don't know what they do, but they do it better than anyone. Good stuff!

Peace

DaveS


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posted by  : Cynthia on 01/26/10, 3:12 pm
subject   : Afghan tribal rights = American states' rights

After listening to Jake Diliberto of "Veterans for Rethinking Afghanistan" give us his thoughts on Afghanistan (listen to link below), I've come to realize that Afghan tribal rights are equivalent to American states' rights. So I think it's ironic that most Americans, who favor our war in Afghanistan, tend to be right wingers, who also tend to be strong advocates for states' rights, but they'd rather see Afghanistan have a strong central government than a bunch of various tribal governments, which are nothing more than Afghanistan's version of our state governments. And so, I think this reinforces the notion that warmongering right wingers are such bigots that they view Afghans as not being human enough and thus not being worthy enough to be allowed tribal rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh9K07rXgKU&feature=player_embedded



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posted by  : DaveS on 01/27/10, 8:10 am
subject   : War is HELL!

Here is a very sad, sad story... just damning about the true cost of war:

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/26/13rd-of-women-in-us-military-raped/

I would propose the next army recruitment film should include at least one scene of a gang rape... but unfortunately that would probably boost the recruitment numbers.

Ain't it an odd world?

Here I sit watching a snowstorm slowly creep over the landscape, and despite my being a week behind on bills, the heat is still on, the electricity is on, the rent check bounced but once, and then cleared for the landlord... in other words, all is well in my little corner of earth.

Yet... yet, probably with-in ten miles of me there is someone hungry and/or cold; down in Haiti there is an incredible horror unfolding; numerous victims of Katrina and the Government's non-response are still trying to find a useless handhold on our sinking economy; there are wars enough to go around, weapons are selling like hot cakes while tent cities blossom in empty fields. Americans living on the streets despite thousands of empty homes – the soulless husk of zombie bank debt laughing at living humans reduced to living in walls of scrounged plastic and cardboard.

Why them and not me? Am I going to be next? Should I even care?

Over in aspen, windfall money from war profiteers fills the tip jars and pockets of peacenik bartenders and environmentalist ski instructors who hold their noses and do their jobs so they can slurp-up whatever crumbs fall from the wallets of their clients, never giving a second thought to all the blood covering those greenbacks. "Somebody is gonna do it, might as well be me."

And every night these same sycophants drown their sorrows with micro brews and snobby wine; bury their pride under a small pile of XTC or cocaine; smoke the demons out of their conscience with hydo weed and cuban cigars; Run Rabbit Run!

Why do we care? All of this is just history repeating. A broken record we can listen to or ignore and regardless of which we choose, we will continue to live our lives. And people will continue to suffer.

DaveS


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posted by  : Juan Moment on 01/31/10, 9:06 am
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Good article you wrote there Dave, food for thoughts. In true wordsmith fashion, always a pleasure reading your observations.

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It leaves us with 70 years of a backed-up sewer system we call the Federal Government to unclog. As we know, some of the turds filling the tank are big and fresh, some aren’t so fresh, and maybe even bigger.
Right, but what we have to keep in mind is that these turds in DC are re-elected, by us, our neighbors, friends. Time after time. There is a certain truth to the proverb that in a democracy ‘People get the government they deserve.’ Lets take the current banking crisis for example, when you think about it, why should politicians try to regulate banks, if they don’t do it they still got nothing to fear, no consequences, for themselves I mean. We vote them back in over and over again, our society too incoherent and splintered, gays v straights, singles v families, old v. young, smokers v non-smokers, etc, to agree on a defensible line, leaving our society incapable of flushing out the turds as you so aptly put it.

If Obama would be serious about putting Wall Street banks back in their place, he’d nationalise the Fed. But instead his government is largely made up of bankers, Goldman Sachs cohorts mainly, so this piece of theater we get to see of him about how he will come down hard on banks is astonishing, comedy gold. When things went pear shaped in 2008, I don’t think Lehman Bros was a bank, neither was Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, Goldman, Morgan, AIG or Fannie and Freddie. He totally misses the point, and yet congress claps like trained seals after every empty phrase he comes up with in his sotu address, pathetic.

On top of that, the SCOTUS lifted any restrictions on how much corporations can “invest” in their favorite politicians, so Obama can suggest as much as he wants, money and its masters will be writing the rules from now on even more so than they already did. But hey, as you wrote, all of this is just history repeating. I suppose its time for a revolution, it would at least be a fun way to go out.

Man, it's 2 in the morning, time to turn in.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/31/10, 11:26 am
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Juan,

That was a powerful poem in the poetry thread. Whoa!

As far as electing our leaders... there was a time I'd agree we got what we deserve. And not to dismiss the ignorance of the electorate, but I also question if the system hasn't been 'gamed'?

I can't help but think the election process is a forgone deal, that the ptb get who they want. America only having two parties has made this easier, as we're only given two choices, the third party candidates are for show ( just like the third world). We have a wonderful illusion of democracy, but not one in practice. Corporations have the power and will continue to have the power. Any revolution will likely be started, or at the very least supported at it's start by a corporation trying to destabilize competitor.

Times have changed so much, that instead of petitioning government to change policy, we might achieve our goals quicker by lobbying the corporations directly. Why even try keeping the fantasy of a people's government alive? At this point the government have become worse than nothing, because it gives us someone to focus our anger upon, rather than the cocksuckers who are really responsible.

For an example look at the french revolution... the banks partnered with the king to loot the treasury. The people tired of being stepped-on took their anger out on the monarchy and the business class mostly escaped unscathed. I maybe generalizing or possibly even making facts up, but this is how I recall those events. And I can see the same thing happening here.

What is heartbreaking for a person like me, who bought into the whole illusion of 'america', is that I can now see it always been smoke and mirrors, the wizard has always been a small, evil man hiding in the wings watching and laughing as people needlessly suffer and die in the name of peace and freedom. What rot.

Thanks for the nice words... a revolution IS interesting, in that chinese curse kinda way. We're living in the middle of one right now. Let's hope it remains a 'cold' revolution and doesn't go 'hot'... I'm in no hurry to get shot, tortured, hung or otherwise made to realize that my beliefs are not in line with the rulers...

DaveS


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posted by  : Dan of Steele on 01/31/10, 11:59 am
subject   : why not?

DaveS wrote:

Times have changed so much, that instead of petitioning government to change policy, we might achieve our goals quicker by lobbying the corporations directly.
DaveS


some have used this tactic already. there have been some selective boycotts but it gets harder to know who you are actually hurting anymore. if you destroy one corporation, you are probably ruining lives other than the ones you intended to. I guess the old saying of act local - think global would apply.

that gets hard to put into practice because it is very often more expensive to buy locally when you can get stuff so cheap at Walmart. and it would be nice to be able to count on reciprocity but as long as people think they have to do it alone and have this "screw you, I got mine" attitude, it will be difficult to move forward.

still, rather than electing representatives who will represent the corps at taxpayer expense, we should just tear away the facade...like Okie wrote in his "SCotUS grants robots Personhood Status" piece


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posted by  : Dan of Steele on 01/31/10, 12:59 pm
subject   : bricks

I can't seem to make the forum feedback forum show up in recent posts, so here is the link
http://lespeakeasy.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=523


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posted by  : Juan Moment on 02/01/10, 8:14 am
subject   : Let there be upheaval

David, DoS, I think you are dead right with your reference to consumer boycotts being a powerful measure to get corporations attention. Would people lose their jobs? Possible, but if you work for a bastard company you kind of asked for it. At the same time, companies who act ethically respectable will get more business in turn and they’ll be hiring.

Because most large corporations are so one-dimensional, profit ueber alles, it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out how to best grab them by the balls. Question is, how can one get enough people to heed the call and follow the boycott action plan. Once we solve that, we would have another device to get the pendulum swinging the other way.

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And not to dismiss the ignorance of the electorate, but I also question if the system hasn't been 'gamed'?

The system’s been gamed alright, only possible though coz the electorate is ignorant. Its not a matter of x and y, but x because of y. The system could be rigged to what ever degree they want, if the electorate wouldn’t play along like sheep, the wealthtocracy’s game would be up. When asked every couple of years who we want to rob us for the next few years, Twiddledee or Tweedledum, people always pick their favourite. The whole charade would fall over if we would just tell’em to get fucked.

What country has US democracy produced? A nation with the highest incarceration rate in the world, some 750 people for every 100’000 citizens, compared to 93 in Germany for example. How can I take Obama or any other US politician serious when they wander the earth making the US out to be a role model for other nations? In my book the US is on par with Indonesia.

I believe the saying goes ‘you can tell a society from the way it treats its prisoners’. Lets see, hmmm, incarcerating people without trial, running secret prisons, handing over prisoners to countries who knowingly torture, torturing others themselves, not supplying legal representation, putting people sometimes for years on end in isolation cells, lousy medical care for detainees, putting child criminals away for life, often in adult jails, unwarranted violence by correction officers such as use of pepper spray, shooting inmates at short range with rubber bullets, chaining people to the floor. The list goes on.

What exactly it’ll take for the US population to gain consciousness and rid themselves of the leeches I don’t know. My impression is that although by now the vast majority of people has a hunch that something ain’t right, but have too much invested in the system to risk digging deeper. Just don’t rattle the cage. It’s not just in the US mind you, here in Australia or Europe for that matter most consumers and TV owners are also conditioned beyond hope, they’ll make their tick always in the same box, come what may, often following a family tradition. As long as they have bread and games, all is well. For a revolution to occur you gotta either take away the bread, like in France, or the games like in Iran.

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Let's hope it remains a 'cold' revolution and doesn't go 'hot'... I'm in no hurry to get shot, tortured, hung or otherwise made to realize that my beliefs are not in line with the rulers...


Well, one day, when we can’t look away any longer while our governments shoot, torture or hang people overseas coz they don’t want to follow US rules, we might have to make a stand, turn on the heat. I’ve always been a firm believer in the motto that it’s better to burn out than to fade away…. I agree however that we shouldn’t have to risk our own lives for goodness to win the battle. Humans are predictable, easily manipulated and led by the nose. This fact, a main pillar in our system’s design, can be used just the same to see mankind move the other way. As we know, all it takes is money. And that’s precisely the angle with which we have to attack the system, its own weapon, money.

I think I’ve written a lengthy post once back at the Moon about how if just 1 million people (that’s 1 in 300) in the US chips in every month 50 bucks to run a Wake Up America fund, we would have the funds needed to finance and engineer a peaceful yet convincing revolution which not only will challenge the plutocrats, but eventually force them onto their knees. People united, can never be defeated. We have the power, all we have to do is use it. What are we? Chicken?


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posted by  : DaveS on 02/01/10, 9:07 am
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Juan,

Your words ring true... I have to admit that I've fallen in love; fallen in love with a quote rudolf posted from Shakespeare;

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“O gentlemen, the time of life is short! (…)
An if we live, we live to tread on kings”


And if we live, we live to tread on kings... gives me friggin' goosestep bumps on me arms mateys. But I think, feel and know there's a way to get 'er done that doesn't include weapons... we're sorely outnumbered and outgunned in that department.

The world is full of psychopaths willing to do anything as long as they can claim they were just 'following orders' – what a fucking copout. I don't think we should roll-over on our backs, but I also don't think it's in our interest to even think of violence... trust me,. there is going to be plenty hurtin' regardless of our intentions. The problem with violence is it rarely reaches the level of authority it would need to for 'punishment'. Rather it is just more interesting rat fights the leaders watch, sipping their sparkling wine and laughing.

It wouldn't be that hard to make life really difficult for the PTB, but it is going to take more hungry people than we have to make it happen. I imagine with a few thousand people it would be easy to engage in a mass protest outside the airports in places like aspen, jackson hole, martha's vineyard... any of the small airports that service the rich and richer... this would be a good, inexpensive, and probably effective first volley to fire in this fight.

What good is a Gulf V if you don't have anyplace to land?

Hell, any group action that would close the doors to the playgrounds of the rich would be quite a blow... just think of all the unemployed trustfunder ski instructors who'd be bitching at mommy and daddy (this alone might make it a worthwhile endeavor) Not to mention all the silent dump trucks, cranes, bulldozers and other assorted implements used to destroy land which is then polluted with more trophy homes.

I posted a call for action from rense.com at the open thread.

DaveS


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