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posted by  : Debs is dead on 01/12/10, 7:02 pm
subject   : Haiti

Word has just come through here about the latest disaster the people of Haiti have to endure.
So far the reports I have seen say that "thousands must have died in the earthquake" We can only hope that this is typical sensationalist media exaggeration and that the Haitians who will endure, as they always do, have not been subjected to as large a horror as that early statement implies.
Oblamblam has made a typically specious and empty sounding press release on the earthquake.
The awfulness of the Haitian earthquake should be turned into a means of finding some relief for Haitians at the same time as forcing Oblam and his imperialist mates to refocus amerikan resources onto humanitarian issues closer to home.


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posted by  : Dan of Steele on 01/13/10, 3:08 pm
subject   : it always rains where it is wet

sadly I fear the fate of the Haitians will continue to be ever more miserable. the best Obama could do was to put out a tip jar on the whitehouse.gov website.

listening to limbaugh on the radio while driving home from work I hear the rightwing talking points which pretty much boil down to the Haitians deserve nothing because they elected a communist as their president after having a series of dictators.

those poor buggers have little going for them, dark complected, speak some weird kind of french, and have no oil or other stuff worth stealing under them. Europe does seem to want to help if this article from the wall street journal is to be believed.


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posted by  : b real on 01/13/10, 9:20 pm
subject   : anecdote

mrs. real made a trip to the store this afternoon and when she came out there was a car blocking the drive right in front of the building. inside it there was a lady, so she walked up and asked what the matter was. the lady explained that her car had died out on the main road and someone had pushed it this far for her but then had to leave to catch their bus. she was now going to be late for work and didn't know what to do. 'did you call anyone for help?', mrs. real asked. only her husband, the lady replied, but he couldn't do anything because he was ill. mrs. real helped her push the car into a parking spot and then gave her a ride to her workplace. on the way, the lady explained that her husband wasn't able to help her out because he had been in an accident at the factory where he worked -- something to do with spilling the materials he worked with -- and had suffered third and fourth degree burns over the majority of his body. this was not very long ago and he is currently undergoing skin grafts, real painful stuff, obviously. the lady then informs mrs. real they're both from haiti. haiti? oh my. are your family and friends back there okay after the earthquake? no idea. haven't been unable to get through to anyone. well let's hope for the best. yes, let's. they had arrived at the lady's workplace, only a little late.


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posted by  : Lizard on 01/13/10, 9:30 pm
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the coverage is of course grotesque; nbc even sent out their post-fat black weatherman, al, to give prognosis of what the sky should bring the haitians who weren't lucky enough to die.

then there's rush and pat who sneer and grunt their venomous responses to the blandishments of the prez. no surprise there.

obviously someone from wall street payed off the military to turn their HAARP dial to fuckshitup to distract us from the most colossal heist in history (i'm only half kidding)

and now it seems a tech war is breaking out between china and google, and the state department wants answers.

2010. yeah.


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posted by  : Parviz on 01/13/10, 9:30 pm
subject   : God?

If there really is a God, then the maxim has never been truer that "He works in strange ways".

100,000 dead wouldn't surprise me, judging by the videos on Al Jazeera. In Iran (Bam) over half the 43,000 population dies as a result of a 30-second earhtquake which was only 6.5 Richter. The Haiti earthquake was even shallower (10 km, by some accounts), = even more devastating.

I don't believe the figures are indicative of sensationalist media reporting by any means. Time, unfortunately, will tell.


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posted by  : Juan Moment on 01/13/10, 9:46 pm
subject   : Haiti

One can only feel sorry for Haiti and its people. The number of reported deaths is rising by the hour, now there is talk of up to 100’000 killed. May they rest in peace. The country they left behind is a basket case. 500 years of colonialism, the near extinction of its indigenous people, enslaved by first the Spanish, then the French who bled the country dry, the US invasion and occupation early last century, the inevitable dictatorships that followed, Haiti has been on its knees ever since Hispaniola was discovered by the European greed heads.

But no, what am I saying, Haiti’s dreadful situation got nothing to with centuries of slavery and being consecutively fucked over by rich western countries, but because they worship the devil. Lucky Pat Robertson knows his shit.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/14/10, 3:10 am
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Of all the places in the world that could use a good earthshaking, Haiti has to be at the bottom of the list.

If this is the sort of thing pat robbingeveryoneson's god does, then he worships an evil god indeed.

Heartless fools. Rush Limidiot had some choice grade A crap to spew too. Let's hope the universe has a sense of humor... maybe rush wouldn't like to try slammin' a little of the big "H" – if he liked Oxycotin, he'll love the real shit, and that would solve one of the more annoying sounds coming from the war drum.

As for earthquakes... Haiti is just the start of the shakin' I've been expecting over on this side of the world; the earthquake map has been looking weird for about six months, and I'd say we're overdue for a little shake and quake up here in the states. If god was really looking to make a statement, he'd have taken-out d.c.

Lizard, if you're not wearing a tinfoil hat, you better make one. Publicly writing about HAARP requires the poster to wear the proper attire. It's for your own safety, otherwise THEY can hear you thinking... Seriously, Haiti's quake is just a little to convenient for the assholes trying to mess everything up. Somebody must be answering their prayers.

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posted by  : philippe on 01/14/10, 4:17 am
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Lizard wrote:
obviously someone from wall street payed off the military to turn their HAARP dial to fuckshitup to distract us from the most colossal heist in history (i'm only half kidding)


HAARP – you mean this kind of stuff ? Please enlighten me.

As for Haiti, according to a friend in the neighbouring Dominican Republic, it's 'estan hecho una mierda' (and that must be the understatement of the day, having personally seen the effects of 6+ shakes on Japanese cities).


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posted by  : Parviz on 01/14/10, 4:22 am
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DaveS wrote:
Seriously, Haiti's quake is just a little to convenient for the assholes trying to mess everything up. Somebody must be answering their prayers.DaveS


LOL. When Michael Jackson's June 25th death deflected global attention away from the aftermath of the June 12th presidential (s)election we Iranians said exactly the same thing, namely, that God must be a Mahdi-worshipping Shi'ite Extremist!


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posted by  : Lizard on 01/14/10, 5:19 am
subject   : enlighten?

no, that's not the word for it. contaminate would be more appropriate.

i hope HAARP doesn't have the capacity some have speculated it does, and this sort of speculation in a thread about a natural disaster that has killed probably tens of thousands of people is, i admit, in poor taste on my part.

the sad fact, though, is this: if a piece of technology can be used as a weapon, it will be. before the earthquake in china there were aurora borealis-type lights seen in the sky an hour before the quake hit. this supposes a level of military aggression that is virtually god-like, and to employ it against the poorest country in the hemisphere as a distraction is a pretty ridiculous, paranoid thought.

unfortunately the extent of my cynicism sometimes contaminates my perceptions about what's happening in the world. i see bill clinton gearing up his foundation for the relief effort in haiti and wonder...why does he even bother pretending like he gives a shit? then i wonder what sort of strings the relief aid will come with.

really a comment like mine is no better than pat robertson's. he blames the innocent victims and credit's his god's wrath for the destruction. i replace god with science and blame an evil contingent of our elites.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/14/10, 7:31 am
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The truth is often stranger than fiction...


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posted by  : b real on 01/14/10, 7:54 am
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will be interesting to watch/measure/compare the responses of cuba vs the u.s.


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posted by  : Hannah K. O'Luthon on 01/15/10, 3:43 am
subject   : Meanwhile, farther south ...

This report regarding the Dutch Antilles is quietly ominous.
At least Bonaire seems not to be slated for "use in the anti-drug"
effort.


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posted by  : Blackie on 01/15/10, 1:04 pm
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So the O-bomber has promoted GW Bush to coordinate relief efforts in Haiti.

I guess experience in killing and holding back aid, etc. is a great calling card, a big plus on a CV (Katrina.)

Monstrous.


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posted by  : Parviz on 01/15/10, 9:11 pm
subject   : Re: God?

Parviz wrote:


100,000 dead wouldn't surprise me, judging by the videos on Al Jazeera. In Iran (Bam) over half the 43,000 population dies as a result of a 30-second earhtquake which was only 6.5 Richter. The Haiti earthquake was even shallower (10 km, by some accounts), = even more devastating.

I don't believe the figures are indicative of sensationalist media reporting by any means. Time, unfortunately, will tell.


Sadly, the Haitian Government, what's left of it, is claiming 200,000 dead.


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posted by  : Dan of Steele on 01/15/10, 11:05 pm
subject   : strategery?

Blackie wrote:
So the O-bomber has promoted GW Bush to coordinate relief efforts in Haiti.


or it could be a brilliant political move to defuse the rabid rightwing authoritarians. if their poster boy is on board with offering aid to the poorest nation in the Caribbean, knuckleheads like limbaugh and robertson will have less impact (I won't say none because reality and truth are not important when they make their pitches).

It would also allow w to atone for some of his sins WRT Katrina and New Orleans.

I wonder is his O ness will allow Aristide back into Haiti?


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posted by  : Blackie on 01/17/10, 10:57 am
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If one did not know there had been a quake, you’d think the US had invaded:

> took command of airspace

> signed agreements with what is left of Haiti Gvmt. to have a free hand, basically not need Haitian permission for whatever actions

> sent in 10 000 (?) troops and X contractors and X humanitarians

> turned away aid

and the list could go on...

A sort of Katrina but to the Nth degree as the sufferers are not only black but far away and non-US citizens.

What shocked me to the core is that Gates has forbidden air drops. (Because they might cause riots! .. Food, water, tents, medical kits, well the Haitians will have to go without...)

After a quick look at google (basically only mainstream anglo news as I tried to point out) and some blogs, the same arguments used in Katrina, the same stereotypes, the same excuses - too complicated, no access, population very violent, criminal, no proper structure on the ground, police ineffective, roads blocked, etc. etc.

This is a giant, leaping step forward in ‘humanitarian war’. The gloss this time is humanitarian, as installing democracy in Afgh., Iraq was perceived by many as mendacious or at least as pragmatically inoperable. Doing what one can, in the face of phantom insurmountable obstacles, for victims of a natural disaster, is not questioned or challenged, except by a fringe.

Soldiers in Iraq handed out food, water, and candy, for the cameras. They supposedly helped ‘rebuilding‘ - what they themselves, if not personally, had destroyed.

Some internet writers and bloggers warned Americans that the US’ shock and awe abroad would come home, and Katrina presented plenty of proof of that. Did anybody pay attention? No... I’ll have to try and think that out.

What the future ‘Gvmt’ of Haiti will be is anyone’s guess. Puppet Gov. for sure. Dan, do't know enough about the forces in play re. Aristide...


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posted by  : Debs is dead on 01/17/10, 5:24 pm
subject   : how Haiti happened and why things won't improve

Last Friday or was it Thursday/ It matters not unless you're stuck under a concrete slab hoping to get rescued, the Guardian posted a great article , a sort of definitive history of Haiti. Those who wish to read it in full will find it right here.
Titled Haiti: a long descent to hell the guardian which is rather pro tony bliar's new labour rarely does the exposes of colonialism it used to do, particularly not negative assessments of amerikan imperialism, but since in this instance the other blackguard imperialist is france, I suppose for the guardian's editors the old angle francophobia trumped the new angle amerikaphilia.

Dangerous stuff they loosed a confirmed anti-imperialist onto the case whose examination of Haiti's treatment is bound to stir up issues about the similarity of Haiti's demise and englander PM brown's treatment of Iceland. Although he doesn't move out of the unwhitefella point of view terribly much preferring parallels with Somalia.

It could just as easily be New Zealand. The chief reason NZ had to privatise it's national assets and sell them to foreign corporations in the 1980's was that NZ was being held accountable for loans from english banks made during WW1 and WW2 when the brits borrowed money from themselves in our name to finance NZ's involvement in european wars. Crazy isn't it? even the NZ's at the time thought that was taking the spirit of dedication to what they used to call 'the mother country' a little too far.
Helen Clark's tedious rule was just that tedious but she did manage to ensure that NZers didn't owe anyone a brass razoo. Less than 12 months of the tory mob in power and our national debt acquired by slashing taxes for the rich, has already reached over $2000 US per capita.
With debt comes a loss of independence, of course. So now kiwis are gonna play war games with the septic tanks once again. See this puff piece from our local fishwrap written before Haiti's disaster stopped the Clinton meet and greet.

But NZ's problems are not the issue here. I'll just give readers a taste of the guardian article so they can see for themselves how Haiti became Haiti:

Quote:
But what has really left Haiti in such a state today, what makes the country a constant and heart-rending site of ­recurring catastrophe, is its history. In Haiti, the last five centuries have combined to produce a people so poor, an infrastructure so nonexistent and a state so hopelessly ineffectual that whatever natural disaster chooses to strike next, its impact on the population will be magnified many, many times over. Every single factor that international experts look for when trying to measure a nation's vulnerability to natural disasters is, in Haiti, at the very top of the scale. Countries, when it comes to dealing with disaster, do not get worse.

"Haiti has had slavery, revolution, debt, deforestation, corruption, exploitation and violence," says Alex von Tunzelmann, a historian and writer currently working on a book about the country and its near neighbours, the Dominican Republic and Cuba. "Now it has poverty, illiteracy, overcrowding, no infrastructure, environmental disaster and large areas without the rule of law. And that was before the earthquake. . .

. . .In the 18th century, under French rule, Haiti – then called Saint-Domingue – was the Pearl of the Antilles, one of the richest islands in France's empire (though 800,000-odd African slaves who produced that wealth saw precious little of it). In the 1780s, Haiti exported 60% of all the coffee and 40% of all the sugar consumed in Europe: more than all of Britain's West Indian colonies combined. It subsequently became the first independent nation in Latin America, and remains the world's oldest black republic and the second-oldest republic in the western hemisphere after the United States. . .

. . .The French West India Company gradually assumed control of the colony, and by 1665 France had formally claimed it as Saint-Domingue. A treaty with Spain 30 years later saw Madrid cede the western third of the island to Paris.

Economically, French occupation was a runaway success. But Haiti's riches could only be exploited by importing up to 40,000 slaves a year. For nearly a decade in the late 18th century, Haiti accounted for more than one-third of the entire Atlantic slave trade. Conditions for these men and women were atrocious; the average life expectancy for a slave on Haiti was 21 years. . .

. . .Not surprisingly, the French ­Revolution in 1789 raised the tricky question of how exactly the Declaration of the Rights of Man might be said to apply both to ­Haiti's then sizeable population of free gens de couleur (generally the offspring of a white plantation owner and a black concubine) – and ultimately to the slaves themselves. . .

. . .As France became ­increasingly distracted by war with ­Britain, the French commander, the ­Vicomte de Rochambeau, was finally defeated in November 1803 (though not before he had hanged, drowned or burned and ­buried alive thousands of rebels). Haiti declared independence on 1 January 1804.

As Stephen Keppel of the Economist Intelligence Unit puts it, Haiti's revolution may have brought it independence but it also "ended up destroying the country's infrastructure and most of its plantations. It wasn't the best of starts for a fledgling republic." Moreover, in exchange for diplomatic recognition from France, the new republic was forced to pay enormous reparations: some 150m francs, in gold. It was an immense sum, and even reduced by more than half in 1830, far more than Haiti could afford.

"The long and the short of it is that Haiti was paying reparations to France from 1825 until 1947," says Von Tunzelmann. "To come up with the money, it took out huge loans from American, German and French banks, at exorbitant rates of interest. By 1900, Haiti was spending about 80% of its national budget on loan repayments. It ­completely wrecked their economy. By the time the original reparations and interest were paid off, the place was basically destitute and trapped in a ­spiral of debt. . .

. . .in 1911 came another revolution, followed almost immediately by nearly 20 years of occu­pation by a US terrified that Haiti was about to default on its massive debts. The Great Depression devastated the country's exports. There were revolts and coups and dictatorships, and then, in 1957, came François ­"Papa Doc" Duvalier. . .


The rest which is equally horrific should be familiar to most of us who have followed the horror show which is the colonisation of Latin America by amerika.

This sentence has been ringing in my head since I firdst read the article:
"The long and the short of it is that Haiti was paying reparations to France from 1825 until 1947"
Take a close look at any 'failed state' and you'll find something similar.

I don't reckon Oblam has any plans to make Haiti a keeper. Why would he? Making extortionate loans disguised as 'foreign aid' has worked so well up until now. If amerika actually took over Haiti, they would have to actually spend some money there on stuff other than bribes to Haiti's traitors.

I couldn't help but notice that Haitian expat Wyclef Jean is copping it in spades from the mainstream "charities" at the moment. (sorry bout the bad pun put it down to watching Spike Lee's movie of 'Passing Strange' last nite)
I don't know the original source of this article[ which has appeared in many local fishwrap (in this case the HongKong Standard) as well as my own but the time is as Jean points out "interesting".

I have no idea how straight up Jean is but this is quite a thing to be casting independent Haitian charities into disrepute right at the time alla the collecting is going on.

After all maybe Jean planned on giving Haitians stuff with no strings attached. maybe he isn't pushing it through the channels amerika has control over.
I dunno but I do know that Haiti has zero chance of getting its problems sorted until all of the banks and other usurers are made to get off Haiti's case.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/17/10, 6:40 pm
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Very interesting post Debs,

Most of the herd in these parts feel really bad or figure it's "wrath of god" bullshit. Funny polarity can be found around here, I'm continually surprise to find dreadlocked gun nuts and ranchers that are peaceniks.

Go figure.

Personally I feel the colonial powers only 'allowed' Haiti to be 'independent' to use as a bad example. All those old european whites were scared of a successful black nation, and did everything they could to keep one from being created, from the debt mentioned to the rape of the natural resources to the point where rainy seasons are deadly and destructive due to mudslides.

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posted by  : Lizard on 01/17/10, 8:39 pm
subject   : a wtf moment

it must be strange for lots of folks to see obama allow the US part of the haitian relief effort to be (ab)used as an opportunity to rehabilitate GWB's image. what uncomfortable contortions of thought are required to continue believing this (s)elected person isn't just obediently taking orders from his handlers.

i mean jeezus--not only will obama refuse to hold anyone accountable for the last 8 years of gloves off totalitarian aggression and civil contempt, but he appears more than willing to allow a horrific disaster to facilitate the re-entry of a--let's be clear, mother fucking war criminal--into a quasi-public space to help "oversee" in a similar capacity his administration failed spectacularly at. WTF?

the metaphor i used to update my fb status (i regularly impose my own gratuitous pontifications on all those people i didn't know in high school that are now part of that weird social stew fb enables) is putting pedophiles in charge of daycare. after all, that is what he is doing, is it not?

i imagine it would be difficult to understand for anyone clinging to the shredded remnants of their bumpersticker proclamations of a year ago why obama has been so very accommodating, but with the recent "revelations" that bush called clinton more than a few times while in office, well, anyone who believes there is any fundamental difference between parties is a sucker.

so money will flow into haiti, and royal caribbean will have their 50 million dollar dock and flocks of gawking tourists, and those who survived will keep going, even when the lens of attention grows bored of their misery and finds some other situation it can help exploit for corporate profit.


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posted by  : Cynthia on 01/18/10, 4:23 am
subject   : David Brooks on Haiti

Here is what David Brooks has to say about Haiti:

"Haiti, like most of the world’s poorest nations, suffers from a complex web of progress-resistant cultural influences. There is the influence of the voodoo religion, which spreads the message that life is capricious and planning futile. There are high levels of social mistrust. Responsibility is often not internalized. Child-rearing practices often involve neglect in the early years and harsh retribution when kids hit 9 or 10."

I suppose one could use the same sort of twisted logic to argue that if an earthquake were to strike the Hamptons, killing scores of banksters in their tracks, we could blame this on voodoo economics. David Brooks is so full of it with his blame-the-victim nonsense that anyone with a pulse shouldn't give him the time of day!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/opinion/15brooks.html?em#


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posted by  : Dan of Steele on 01/19/10, 3:54 pm
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sitting here listening to talking heads I am struck by the comment that the earthquake in Haiti is similar to the US's Sept 11th. Of course we never look at it like that but in reality the disaster in Haiti is much worse both in numbers of human lives lost as well as material damage to buildings. With a population of around 9 million the estimated death toll of 200,000 makes the less than 3,000 out of 300 million seem minuscule. the loss of two very tall office buildings compared to just about every building in Port au Prince also seems insignificant.

yet the loss in the US of those two buildings justified war on two countries initially and all Muslims eventually with all US citizens looking for blood from those responsible. the horrid to non existent infrastructure in Haiti which led to the collapse of most buildings in the capital (because of shoddy construction and non existing anti seismic building codes) was also caused by someone. they were not bearded men hiding in caves but fat white men sitting in offices of government or banks.

they of course remain blameless. same as it ever was.


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posted by  : DaveS on 01/19/10, 6:42 pm
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Are you suggesting those building are anti seismic?

Won't this make israel happy to see them gone?

sorry, bad joke that maybe only I find funny.

What I don't find funny is how close to a katrina response this has turned into. Empire will use this as an excuse to "fix" Haiti, and the first thing they're doing is making sure as many people as possible will perish from lack of food, water and medical care.

NPR was reporting how hard the marines were finding ground travel because of how damaged roads and infrastructure were. So they were going to be dropping supplies by air. goody.

Like DUH! Dudes it was an earthquake, and americans know how damaging earthquakes are to roads, look at the loma preita quake or the northridge quake in california. Both tore the hell out of the roads. This strikes me as planned disaster genocide... let god take the blame for all the deaths, sort of like what happened after Katrina.

Everyday the world slips into very dark days, very dark days indeed.

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posted by  : Dan of Steele on 01/19/10, 7:01 pm
subject   : don't confuse malice with incompetence

DaveS wrote:

What I don't find funny is how close to a katrina response this has turned into. Empire will use this as an excuse to "fix" Haiti, and the first thing they're doing is making sure as many people as possible will perish from lack of food, water and medical care.


I tend to disagree that the goal is to kill or starve people. This is a huge catastrophe and the logistics alone are mind boggling. to expect to be able to provide food and shelter for a couple of million people within a couple of days is not realistic. then you must also consider that Haiti is a sovereign nation and the US must at least superficially recognize that. as I recall most of the Haitian government perished in this earthquake leaving a power vacuum. even with many countries offering aid, it is hard to get it there. I am guessing the US wants to take charge of the situation but that could backfire on them with other countries then withdrawing their aid and support.

I think it is important that they try. this will gain little for Obama and people will soon come to resent handing out tax dollars to those devil worshippers. I see Obama giving this a half hearted go and will let it die as soon as politically possible. probably a week or so.


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posted by  : Lizard on 01/19/10, 7:47 pm
subject   : turned away?!

then maybe the people coordinating the relief effort should realize an important step in getting supplies to those who need them is letting the fucking plane carrying the supplies to land at the goddamn airport.

http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-289/6087-doctors-without-borders-plane-not-allowed-to-land-in-haiti


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